HomeMy WebLinkAbout01-03-2017 Planning Commission MinutesJanuary 3, 2017
Planning Commission Minutes
The Planning Commission met Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 5:00 PM at the City
Municipal Complex, 161 N. Section Street in the Council Chambers.
Present: Lee Turner, Chairperson; George Roberds, Vice-Chair; Jennifer Fidler; Bernie
Fogarty; Ralph Thayer; David Martin; Hollie MacKellar; Jimmy Conyers; Jonathan
Smith, Planning Director; Emily Boyett, Secretary; and Tut Wynne, City Attorney
Absent: Bob Clark
Chairman Turner called the meeting to order at 5:05 PM and announced the meeting is
being recorded.
The minutes of the December 5, 2016 meeting were considered and Ralph Thayer moved
to accept the minutes as written and was 2 nd by Bernie Fogarty. The motion carried
unanimously.
Jimmy Conyers stated he has a conflict with Items A -E. He recused himself and left the
room.
Mayor Wilson addressed the Commission and introduced Sherry-Lea Bloodworth Botop
as the City's new Economic and Community Development Director. She also recapped
the moratorium and showed pictures of drainage issues due the recent rain events.
Chairman Turner suggested hearing cases SD 16.25 and SD 16.34 together.
SD 16.25 Request of Dewberry/Preble-Rish, LLC for Preliminary Plat approval of
Old Battles Village, Phase 3 a 43-lot subdivision, John Avent. The property is located
west of Huntington Woods and north of Old Battles Village, Phase 1 and 2. Mr. Smith
gave the staff report saying the Master Plan for this development was approved in 2005
and a PUD amendment was approved in August 2016. Mr. Smith stated all the
conditions listed in the Staff Report have been met. Staff recommendation is to approve.
Mrs. Fidler stated she has reviewed the landscaping.
SD 16.34 Request of Dewberry/Preble-Rish, LLC for Preliminary Plat approval of
Old Battles Village, Phase 4 a 40-lot subdivision, John Avent. The property is located
west of Huntington Woods and north of Old Battles Village, Phase 1 and 2 . Mr. Smith
gave the staff report saying the applicant has been working with staff to address concerns
with access and Alabama Power will not allow their easement to be used. Ms. Milford
said the residents have safety concerns and the POA is working with an engineer for
possible alternatives. Mr. Smith stated all the conditions listed in the Staff Report have
been met. Staff recommendation is to approve. Dr. Thayer asked if the water and sewer
issues have been addressed and Mr. Smith responded the Water and Sewer
Superintendent, Dan McCrory, has stated the application is okay to proceed. Dr. Thayer
recommended having an addendum for the Commission if changes are made after the
Staff Report is written.
Mr. A vent was present to answer questions.
Chairman Turner opened the public hearing.
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Earl Eldridge of 7878-A Palemoon Court -He stated concerns with the amount of water
that run along the back of his property and said it is a safety issue. He also requested a
barrier along his property line to keep people off his property.
Bonnie Gulsby of 410 Bartlett A venue -She stated concerns with the construction traffic
and the safety of the residents. She also had pictures of the detention pond flooding and
the red discharge to Point Clear.
Chairman Turner stated a Stop Work Order was issued to Phase 2 of construction because
of the blow-out.
Debbie Ellis of 7194 Brodbeck Lane -She stated concerns with clay flooding onto their
property and the sewer capacity issues.
David Ellis of 7194 Brodbeck Lane -He said the development is too much, too fast and
the sewer is only going to get worse with the apartments.
Having no one else present to speak, Chairman Turner closed the public hearing.
Mr. A vent addressed the public comments saying the construction entrance route was
agreed upon at the time of Phase 2 and now the residents want to change it. He said they
are working with the POA but the roads are public and any route will make someone
unhappy. He stated the drainage for Phase 2, 3, and 4 does not flow to Old Battles Road.
He explained they have an agreement with Huntington Woods to use their facilities. He
said the drainage is engineered to the City's regulations and they are using the existing
drainage way. Mr. A vent said he has met with Mr. Eldridge and they wi ll look at the
possibility of a fence along his property. He addressed the sewer comments saying this is
a PUD and the Phase schedule has been laid out since the beginning. He said the sewer
has never b een an issue. He said it will be 18 to 24 months before houses are built and
that will allow time for the sewer issues to be addressed by the City. Dr. Thayer stated
the drainage is not allowed to discharge on to someone else 's property and Mr. Avent
stated the water is being handled through Huntington Woods. Mrs. F idler asked what
storm event was the site designed for and Mr. Avent stated the regulation require a 100-
year storm with an overflow for more. Mrs. MacKellar asked when the sewer study will
be done and Mr. Smith responded it will be done soon. Mr. McCrory assured staff the
sewer will be taken care of and the problem is not with capacity but with collection and
the lift stations. Mayor Wilson stated there are 68 lift stations and they need to be
upgraded but there is a study being done. Mrs. Fidler stated the developers should pay an
appropriate portion to upgrade the system. Mr. Avent disagreed saying tap fees will be
paid and the developer installs the infrastructure.
David Martin made a motion for SD 16.25 to accept the staff recommendation to approve
contingent upon the sewer study being completed. George Roberds 2nd the motion.
Mrs. Fidler asked if the development will be held up until the study is completed. Mr.
Martin said we don 't know where the City stand until the study is done. Mr. Avent asked
for a time frame to be set.
David Martin withdrew his motion for SD 16 .25 and George Roberds withdrew the 2 nd _
Mr. Smith stated he just spoke with Dan McCrory and he does not feel the development
should be held up. H e said the study will take 45 days and it could be approximately 2
weeks before the City Council approves it. Mrs. Fidler said her concern is if the study
shows the system needs to be upgraded then who will pay for it.
Jennifer Fidler made a motion to accept the staff recommendation to approve. George
Roberds 2 nd the motion. The motion failed with the following vote: A YE -Jennifer
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Fidler, Lee Turner, and George Roberds. NAY -Bernie Fogarty, Ralph Thayer, Hollie
MacKellar, and David Martin.
Bernie Fogarty made a motion for SD 16.25 to deny the request because no sewer study
has been done. Ralph Thayer 2nd the motion and the motion carried with the following
vote: A YE -Bernie Fogarty, Ralph Thayer, Hollie MacKellar, and David Martin. NAY -
Jennifer Fidler, Lee Turner, and George Roberds.
Bernie Fogarty made a motion for SD 16.34 to deny the request because no sewer study
has been done . Ralph Thayer 2nd the motion and the motion carried with the following
vote: A YE -Bernie Fogarty, Ralph Thayer, Hollie MacKellar, and David Martin. NAY -
Jennifer Fidler, Lee Turner, and George Roberds.
Chairman Turner suggested hearing cases SD 16.26 and SD 16.35 together.
SD 16.26 Public hearing to consider the request of Dewberry/Preble-Rish, LLC for
Preliminary Plat approval of Phase 3 of Greenbriar at Firethorne, a 29-lot
subdivision, John Avent. The property is located west Quail Creek Villas and north of
Stone Creek Villas. Mr. Smith gave the staff report saying the property is zoned PUD in
the City of Fairhope and 29 lots are proposed on approximately 16.27 acres. Staff
recommendation is to approve contingent upon the following condition:
1. The engineer of record shall provide a definitive narrative with regards to adverse
effects of drainage (as noted in the staff report) and shall provide an engineer's
certificate for the drainage plan.
SD 16.35 Public hearing to consider the request of Dewberry/Preble-Rish, LLC for
Preliminary Plat approval of Phase 4 of Golden Oaks at Firethorne, a 31-lot
subdivision, John Avent. The property is located on the north side ofNarrowleaf Blvd
and west of Quail Creek Villas. Mr. Smith gave the staff report saying the property is
zoned PUD in the City of Fairhope and 31 lots are proposed on approximately 14.48
acres. Staff recommendation is to approve contingent upon the following condition:
1. The engineer of record shall provide a definitive narrative with regards to adverse
effects of drainage (as noted in the staff report) and shall provide an engineer's
certificate for the drainage plan.
Mr. A vent was present to answer questions.
Chairman Turner opened the public hearing. Having no one present to speak Chairman
Turner closed the public hearing.
Jennifer Fidler made a motion for SD 16.26 to accept the staff recommendation to
approve contingent upon the following condition:
1. The engineer of record shall provide a definitive narrative with regards to adverse
effects of drainage (as noted in the staff report) and shall provide an engineer's
certificate for the drainage plan.
Hollie MacKellar 2nd the motion and the motion carried unanimously .
Jennifer Fidler made a motion for SD 16.35 to accept the staff recommendation to
approve contingent upon the following condition:
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1. The engineer of record shall provide a definitive narrative with regards to adverse
effects of drainage ( as noted in the staff report) and shall provide an engineer's
certificate for the drainage plan.
Hollie MacKellar 2nd the motion and the motion carried unanimously.
SD 16.27 Public hearing to consider the request of Dewberry/Preble-Rish, LLC for
Preliminary Plat approval of Fairhope Falls, Phase 2 and Phase 3, a 67-lot
subdivision, John Avent. The property is located on the south side of St. Hwy. 104 and
west of Yosemite Blvd. Mr. Smith gave the staff report saying the property is located
outside of the City of Fairhope and is not zoned. The property is also outside the City of
Fairhope Police and Permit Jurisdictions. Phase 2 and Phase 3 are approximately 43.24
acres and 67 lots are proposed. Staff recommendation is to approve contingent upon the
following condition:
1. Submittal of a landscape plan that meets the approval of the City of Fairhope.
Mr. Avent was present to answer any questions. Dr. Thayer asked if the water model has
been approved and Mr. Smith responded yes.
Chairman Turner opened the public hearing. Having no one present to speak Chairman
Turner closed the public hearing.
George Roberds made a motion to accept the staff recommendation to approve contingent
upon the following condition:
1. Submittal of a landscape plan that meets the approval of the City of Fairhope.
David Martin 2nd the motion and the motion carried unanimously.
Mrs. MacKellar requested the school district be included in the staff report.
Mr. Conyers returned to the dais.
Chairman Turner suggested hearing cases SD 16.37 and SD 17.03 together.
SD 16.37 Public hearing to consider the request of Dewberry/Preble-Rish, LLC for
Plat approval of The Verandas, Phase 1, a 62-lot subdivision, Trae Corte. The
property is located at the southwest comer of the intersection of St. Hwy. 104 and
Lawrence Road. Mr. Smith gave the staff report saying the property is unzoned and
located in Baldwin County. The total site area is approximately 75 .26 acres and 62 lots
are proposed. Staff recommendation is to approve contingent upon the following:
1. The applicant shall revise the plans to reflect the correction of the deficiencies
noted by Mr. Larry Smith of S.E. Civil Engineering.
SD 17.03 Public hearing to consider the request of Dewberry/Preble-Rish, LLC for
Plat approval of The Verandas, Phase 2, 3, and 4, a 114-lot subdivision, Trae Corte.
The property is located at the southwest comer of the intersection of St. Hwy. 104 and
Lawrence Road. Mr. Smith gave the staff report saying the property is unzoned and
located in Baldwin County. The total site area is approximately 57.88 acres and 114 lots
are proposed. Staff recommendation is to approve contingent upon the following:
1. The applicant shall revise the plans to reflect the correction of the deficiencies
noted by Mr. Larry Smith of S.E. Civil Engineering.
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Trae Corte was present to answer questions.
Mr. Turner opened the public hearing. Having no one present to speak, Mr. Turner
closed the public hearing.
Mrs. Fidler asked if a traffic calming device is needed on the straight away and Mr. Smith
responded the distance is less than 660 '. Mrs. Fidler stated she needs to re -review the
landscape plan.
Jennifer Fidler made a motion for SD 16.37 to accept the staff recommendation to
approve contingent upon the following:
1. The applicant shall revise the plans to reflect the correction of the deficiencies
noted by Mr. Larry Smith of S.E. Civil Engineering.
2. The landscape plan shall be approved by the City Horticulturist.
Jennifer Fidler made a motion for SD 17.03 to accept the staff recommendation to
approve contingent upon the following:
1. The applicant shall revise the plans to reflect the correction of the deficiencies
noted by Mr. Larry Smith of S.E. Civil Engineering.
2. The landscape plan shall be approved by the City Horticulturist.
SD 16.38 Public hearing to consider the request of Dewberry/Preble-Rish, LLC for
Plat approval of Graceway Subdivision, a 2-lot minor division, Steve Pumphrey.
The property is located on the west side of Bishop Road, just north of Edwards A venue.
Mr. Smith gave the staff report saying the property is zoned R-5 High Density Multi-
Family Residential District in the City of Fairhope and is approximately 5.44 acres with 2
lots proposed. Staff recommendation is to approve as proposed.
Mr. A vent was present to answer questions.
Chairman Turner opened the public hearing.
Toni King of 20841 Bishop Road -She said the tax records show the property is
agriculture, not multi-family . She stated concerns with septic tanks for 40 units. She said
she did not understand what was being proposed.
Having no one else present to speak, Chairman Turner closed the public hearing.
Mr. Smith clarified the property is zoned R-5 and explained the subdivision is to split off
the wetlands. He stated the multiple occupancy project will be heard n ext month and this
request is just for the minor subdivision of 2 lots.
Ralph Thayer made a motion to accept the staff recommendation to approve as requested.
Bernie Fogarty 2nd the motion and the motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Smith stated Dan McCrory is here to explain the sewer situation for the Old Battles
Village case heard earlier. Mr. McCrory stated the City is going to hire an engineer to do
a study on the collection system of the City's sewer and propose a 5, 10 , and 15 year
plans to address upgrades and maintenance of the system. He said the study will take 45
day and will also address immediate needs. Mr. Martin asked when the study will be
done and the Mayor responded once it is approved by the City Council the study itself
will take 45 days. She asked the Commission to reconsider the denial of the applications.
Bernie Fogarty rescinded his motion for SD 16.25 and Ralph Thayer rescinded his 2 nd .
David Martin made a motion for SD 16.25 to accept the staff recommendation to approve
contingent upon the following condition:
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1. The sewer utility study being completed, the findings being reported, and the City
of Fairhope acting to address any issues within 60 days.
Ralph Thayer 2 nd the motion and the motion carried with two abstentions by Jimmy
Conyers and Ralph Thayer.
David Martin made a motion for SD 16.34 to accept the staff recommendation to approve
contingent upon the following condition:
1. The sewer utility study being completed, the findings being reported, and the City
of Fairhope acting to address any issues within 60 days.
Ralph Thayer 2nd the motion and the motion carried with one abstention by Jimmy
Conyers.
SD 17.01 Public hearing to consider the request of HMR, LLC for a Village
Subdivision approval of Colony Woods, a 4-lot subdivision, Tim Lawley. The
property is located at the east end of Hawthorne Lane. Mr. Smith gave the staff report
saying the subject property is located outside the City of Fairhope and is unzoned. The
total site is approximately 7 .1 7 acres and 4 lots are proposed. Staff recommendation is to
approve as proposed.
Chairman Turner opened the public hearing. Having no one present to speak, Chairman
Turner closed the public hearing.
Dr. Thayer commended the applicant and stated this is a great idea.
Jimmy Conyers made a motion to accept the staff recommendation to approve as
proposed. Hollie MacKellar 2nd the motion and the motion caiTied unanimously.
SD 17.02 Public hearing to consider the request of Dewberry/Preble-Rish, LLC for
Preliminary Plat approval of Anthem Oaks, a 23-lot subdivision, John Avent. The
property is located on the southeast corner of the intersection of County Road 32 and
Mandrell Lane. Mr. Smith gave the staff report saying the property is unzoned in
Baldwin County and consists of approximate ly 30 acres with 23 lots proposed. The
applicant is requesting a waiver to the LID requirements. Staff recommendation is to
approve contingent upon the following conditions:
1. The applicant shall revise the plans to reflect the minor deficiencies noted by Mr.
Larry Smith of S.E. Civil Engineering.
Mr. A vent addressed the Commission saying the proposal is 1 acre lots designed around
the existing oak grove.
Chairman Turner opened the public hearing.
Harry Sherman of 12113 Mandrell Lane -He stated he is opposed to an entrance on
Mandrell Lane.
Ron Anderson of 16870 River Park Road -He stated the property has already been
subdivided with restrictive covenants and he asked how they are putting another
subdivision on top of it. He said the reason everyone moved out to this area is to be
outside the city and he asked why this must be approved by the city. He expressed
concerns with tree preservation, traffic , and drainage.
Brenda Johnson of 16846 River Park Road -She said this project affects more people
than just the adjacent property owners. She stated there are already issues with the
amount of water on Old Timney Lane and this will just compound the problems . She
asked why this is before the City when the property is in the County.
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James Long of 12484 County Road 32 -He stated concerns with stormwater runoff and
how it will be handled.
James Johnson of 16846 River Park Road -He asked for an explanation of the waiver
request.
Stacy Coate of 12119 Mandrell Lane -She said the proposed entrance will be in her front
yard. She said this development will cause more traffic and she moved to the county for
because she likes the quiet.
Kenneth Palmer of 12422 County Road 32-He wants to make sure the oak grove is
protected.
Jo Owens of 16772 River Park Road -She stated concerns with stormwater runoff and
traffic. She said she likes the area the way it is and it is becoming too populated.
Having no one else present to speak, Chairman Turner closed the public hearing.
Chairman Turner explained though this property is outside city limits it is in the City's
Extra-Territorial Jurisdiction and the Planning Jurisdiction in which the City has ·
subdivision control. Mr. Avent stated this request is a re-subdivision of the existing lots
and the restrictive covenants are being met because each lot is at least 1 acre. Chairman
Turner asked how the stormwater is being handled and Mr. A vent explained they are
using 10 LID techniques to mimic the existing conditions and will help with the
downstream affects. Dr. Thayer suggested the applicant meet with the surrounding
neighbors. Andy Bobe of Preble-Rish, LLC stated they tried to save as many trees as
possible with the layout and he noted the County has already approved the subdivision.
George Roberds made a motion to grant a waiver to the LID requirements and to accept
the staff recommendation to approve contingent upon the following conditions:
1. The applicant shall revise the plans to reflect the minor deficiencies noted by Mr.
Larry Smith of S.E. Civil Engineering.
Ralph Thayer 2nd the motion and the motion carried unanimously.
UR 16.15 Request of Southern Light for an 11.52.11 Utility Review and approval of
the proposed installation of approximately 500 linear feet of fiber optic cable, A vein
Thompson. The project will run along the north side of Morphy A venue form Greeno
Road to Lottie Lane to provide service to Goodwill Easter Seals at 199 Baldwin Square.
Mr. Smith gave the staff report saying the project consists of placing approximately 500
linear feet of fiber optic cable underground and installing one handhole. The method of
installation shall be directional bore, no trenching is allowed. Staff recommendation is to
approve conditional upon the following:
1. The applicant shall follow the general comments related to utility work as stated
in the staff report.
2. All mechanical and locator equipment shall be painted munsell green.
3. The plans shall be revised to show the correct depth placement prior to the
issuance of a permit.
Mrs. Fidler stated this location was just bored by AT&T.
Jennifer Fidler made a motion to accept the staff recommendation to approve conditional
upon the following:
1. The applicant shall follow the general comments related to utility work as stated
in the staff report.
2. All mechanical and locator equipment shall be painted munsell green.
3. The plans shall be revised to show the correct depth placement prior to the
issuance of a permit.
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Ralph Thayer 2 nd the motion and the motion carried unanimously.
IR 17.01 Request of Bobby and Debra Green for an Informal Review to rezone
property located at 415 N . Greeno Road from R-1 Low Density Single Family
Residential District to a Business/Commercial district. Mr. Smith gave the staff report
saying the subject property is approximately 2.6 acres and is the cmrent site for Green
Nurseries. Staff recommendation is to provide insight and comments regarding the
proposed zoning change from R-1 to a business/commercial zoning district. Mr. Green
gave a PowerPoint presentation highlighting the current and proposed intentions for the
site. Their proposal includes maintaining the existing business and expanding to become
a more upscale village atmosphere with a cafe and retail sales with a 130' buffer between
the site and the existing residential to the west. Mrs. Green stated this area cannot handle
a high-density development and it is not fit for single family. She noted all the
surrounding neighbors are in favor of the proposal. Mr. Green said Greeno Road is
changing and this development can set a standard. Mr. Turner stated he loves the idea
but is concerned with Greeno Road becoming striped out and Mr. Conyers agreed. He
suggested working to have 3 acres and proposing a PUD instead of a straight zoning
change. Dr. Thayer recommended asking for a special exception or a v ariance to the 3
acre requirement for a PUD. He stated he likes the concept and would like to see it
developed. Mrs. Fidler said the Comprehensive Plan has villages out lined and Greeno
Road is already too dense; however, she loves the idea but there is no way to stop the
domino effect ofrezoning the adjacent properties. Mr. Fogarty was in favor of the
concept. Mrs. MacKellar said she loved the idea and suggested the City look at the
overlay district again. Mr. Roberds supported the concept but preferred a PUD rather
than straight zoning. He also said he liked the idea of a special exception to the 3 acre
requirement for a PUD. Mr. Martin stated he loves the idea and would like to see more
details. Mr. and Mrs. Green thanked the Commission for their input.
Old/ New Business
Chris Haley -Portico, 56-unit Multiple Occupancy Project at the northeast corner
of Fairhope Avenue and Brown Street. Mr. Haley gave a PowerPoint presentation of
the proposed mixed use project. He explained there has been contention with the
proposed design including parking on Fairhope A venue and Brown Street as well as a 20'
greenspace buffer along the street. Mr. Haley stated the Central Business District (CBD)
stops at the library and expressed interest in the potential to expand the CBD to the
subject property. He said this site is eastern gateway into Downtown and this proposal is
a great transition from residential to commercial. Mr. Martin stated he loves the project
and the parking could be a means of traffic calming on Fairhope Avenue. Mr. Roberds
said he liked the project and on-street parking is fine to him and Mr. Conyers agreed.
Mrs. MacKellar said she loves the proposal and she encouraged Mr. Haley to include golf
cart and bicycle parking. She stated the project looks great and it will be a real
improvement to the area. Mr. Turner said he likes the project and keeping the
commercial Downtown. He commented he would like to see the Post Office worked on
to provide more greenspace and parking. Mr. Haley noted the City has allowed on-street
parking in multiple locations . Dr. Thayer stated the parking is dangerous and any
proposal is better than what is there now. He asked how the water will be handled for the
site and Mr. Haley explained they will be using LID techniques to reduce the amount of
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water for the site. Mr. Fogarty stated he likes the concept but not the parking on Fairhope
A venue due to safety issues. He suggested parallel parking along the streets and Mr.
Haley explained parallel parking would reduce the number of spaces from 28 to
approximately 10 . Mr. Fogarty said there is a need for apartment living in this area. Mrs.
Fidler stated the 20' greenspace buffer is required per the Tree Ordinance and everyone
else has been required to do it. Mr. Haley asked if there is a deviation allowed to the
Tree Ordinance and Mr. Smith responded the only relief is to the City Judge. Mrs. Fidler
stated the drainage and watershed needs to be studied for this site because all the water
flows through this property . Mr. Haley said h e is not responsible for the entire
watershed.
Having no further business, Bernie Fogarty made a motion to adjourn. David Martin 2 nd
the motion and the motion carried unanimously. The meeting was adjourned at 9:05 PM.
Lee Turner, Chairman
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